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Mosley
Date: 08-Feb-01 | 07:18 PM
Here are some ways I train the DE ball. Maybe I can learn some things from the ways you guys work the ball.
When I work the DE ball I always use the motion and direction of the bag to sharpen my accuracy and timing. Always focus on hitting the bag AS IT COMES TO YOU! Don’t hit it as it is going away. TRY TO SEE THE BAG AS IS RETURNS TO YOUR FACE. Also, within the same practice session, switch from light bag gloves, to heavier boxing gloves to bare fists; this changes the speed of the bag, and forces you to adjust your timing and rhythm. You tend to hit the bag with the same amount of force all the time and this makes it easier to pick up on the rhythm. Try to vary the force of your punches.
The double end ball I use is secured to the ceiling with and eye bolt and a small but heavy sand bag on the floor. I set it up on my wrestling mat in my garage. I vary having two elastic cords (one on top and one on bottom) with one rope either top or bottom.
Here are some ways that I train the double-end ball.
*Basic Jab-work on seeing the ball
*Jab and Slip right and left
*Jab-catch-Jab-good ol’ panatukan drill works here (You can do a ton of the panatukan drills on the DE ball)
*Jab-Cross-make sure to hit the ball as it returns
*Jab-Cross and slip-Depending on how hard you hit with the cross-you may or may not successfully slip.
*Jab/R or L uppercut
*J/C/R or L Uppercut
*Jab/Lead Hook-try to hit the ball as it returns
*J/Lead Hook/C-try to not “wait” on the ball-hit it accurately on its first return and first “lateral” motion in front of you as a result of you hook-easier said than done.
*Pak sao by capture-you can do two variations in your “boxing” section of DE ball work-1)put your “pak” hand on the ball and punch the air or 2) pak in the air and hit the ball
*Gunting the ball with either hand as it returns-this is great with a training knife too (don’t use real blades as it is hard on the ball :)
Elbows and destructions in the same fashion as above.
*Add the headbutt-(make sure you intentionally headbutt the ball and don't call a missed slip a headbutt!lol-also make sure the metal fixtures are covered in tape so you don't poke out your eyes!
*As the ball returns I slip inside (this is where your imagination comes to play) and take a low single on the rope. This is where the small sandbag comes in handy. It needs to be heavy enough to hold the bag but light enough to grab and pick up.
*Sometimes after I take the single to the left, I drop the weight and shoot a double under the boxing bag which is hung with the bottom at waist height to the left of the DE ball.
*Shorten the cord (lengthening the elastic) so that the ball is about 2-3’ off the ground, I work my thrust kicking from the butt scoot position. Accuracy and timing is important here also.
*If you have a peanut bag (ringside sells them) you can incorporate high/low combos. I don’t like the peanut bag because it is too slow.
*Hang the ball at waist height and work the knees, you can also punch the cord above the ball to screw up the rhythm and return.
*Use your feet to screw up the rhythm by thai kicking, pak tek, now tek, whatever tek the bottom rope.
MAKE SURE YOU CIRCLE THE BAG-DON’T STAND IN ONE PLACE.
I gotta go now. If I get a chance I will put down some more drills.
Hi Mosley,
Great post with tons of useful information..thanks!
BIG Sean Madigan
http://www.bigjkd.com
Great post Mosley! I think Stickgrappler would like this one! He should put up a JKD UG Forum section and post the goodies you guys are putting up!
Two goodies to share:
1) Do your thumb in the "eyes", hold on and head butt, inner elbow smack, pull into elbow..then fade back into longer range (jabs, crosses, blast, etc.)
2) Jab very powerfully so the ball comes back like blazes, do your shoulder roll, come back with your cross and when it returns you can "stuff" or halt the ball with an uppercut right on the cord and ball, bringing it to a dead stop. Go into above.
Aus
Aus, how did you guess? :-)
saving this first for a night when i have time to put it up to my site.
thanks Mosley. please do put up more drills.
Okay, here are some more.
Shoulder roll the ball (you visualize going to the outside) and on the return beat: -Uppercut with the rear hand -Bob/weave to the other side and lead hook or uppercut. -Uppercut/overhand, overhand/uppercut, hook (just box)
Jeet sao (stopping hand) the ball in flight with your palm-then combo
Place a "dot" with tape on a couple sides of the ball and try to eyejab the dot as the ball is in flight-this really enhances your ability to see/-if the ball is spinning too fast (because you didn't hit it very square) this can be near impossible until it slows.
Place the DE ball about 2 feet off a wall so when you hit it towards the wall it rebounds back at you hard and fast. This is a lot of fun for your defense. This is a solo version of a partner drill I do-each person stands on opposite sides of the ball and works it at the same time-this is a blast.
Place your back foot on a wall so that the return of the ball will hit you and you can't move backward as you work the ball-this is fun also.
Try these out. Braeson
Great stuff!
Alright guys, come on. I know you guys are doing some different things with the DE ball that I can learn.Let me know how you use it.
Ok guys, I am losing faith in this forum--it looks like more people here do forms than work the double end ball!
I've got some more good stuff but I am going to withhold it until you guys show me the goods! :)
Goods, you want goods?
Try this......sraight punch/elbow/backfist - all with the same hand on each return of the ball. Then, switch hands. Notice how each strike "rolls" to the next especially if you make the elbow slightly downward.
Ken you reminded me of a couple I used to do, one similar to the one you posted:
Male Triangle Lead Drill: With the right hand, Jab, elbow, backfist, hook, step diagonal back with right foot, and left Jab, elbow, backfist, hook, step, etc.
Try this one:
Ambidextrous Lead Drill: Jab, uppercut, hook, step back into right lead and cross with the left, uppercut with the left, overhand with the left; then jab, uppercut, hook with the right hand, step back into left lead, cross with the right, upper with the right and overhand with the right etc. Always adjust your distance to the bag appropriately and work in slipping right and left if you need to b/c of your proximity to the bag.
There is a lot more but it has to be tit-for-tat! It has been almost all empty hand so far; we haven’t even touched the weapon stuff yet!
I have even got a couple from YEARS AGO, wing chun related that I would be embarrassed to post. Gotcha wondering don't I? Maybe I should just post some forms stuff...left bow stance, left extended punch, right hand on hip...drop back, monkey steals the peach...lol
Later , Braeson
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